I wonder if there is a way for 'us' if we can spot out a false prophet from a true one? Well, in this age of science where everything is based upon facts and evidence, if we tried I am sure we could. Well, I would like to start a running list of 'qualities' a prophet should have or do in order to qualify as a true prophet. Please feel free to add more if you can think of:
1) They have to perform miracles.
2) Can bring back the dead. I would like to list this separately because this is quite significant, how many prophets really had the power to bring back the dead?
3) They have to give prophecies.
4) Their prophecies have to come true.
5) Their moral conduct is of the highest standing.
6) Have to had spoken directly to God. In other words, getting their message or revelation from God directly instead of getting it through a secondary source.
7) The prophet in question should not contradict the true prophets before him/her.
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hi dear.i have posted reply to ur comment in my blog.see me there.
http://ajmal.rediffiland.com/scripts/xanadu_diary_view.php?postId=1209911953
firstly tell me that u r an christian or atheist???
so that i can help u more.
again u have posted here many things out of context.
and about your ali sina's article,
contradiction in quraan.
i had refuted all those in my ndtv blog.
but sadly,ndtv stopped its blog.
still many of them are available on
www.answering-christianity.com
u may get that there.
it proves how silly ur sina is.
moreover u shall look upon the quraan once again.
all ur confusions will be removed.
whenever i read abt any contradiction in quraan,i pen the quraan and all the confusions are removed .
u must consider quraan carefully.all ur confusions will be removed insha allah.
when u read sth on net,open quraan,and read that verse in context b4 writing any thing about it.
just here are few from shabbir ali's site()
101 Contradictions in the Bible:
101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible
Shabir Ally
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)
59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?
After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?
The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?
Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.
Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.
God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?
After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?
Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
97. Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
these are only few clear contradictions from the bible which even a blind can see.
apart from these are many scientific errors that u can see urself
Dear Ajmal,
Yes I am a Christian. To answer your 101 contradictions please refer to the following link, after which we can chat.
http://www.theapologiaproject.org/101%20Cleared%20up%20Contradictions%20in%20the%20Bible.pdf
Welcome to the site!
Regards,
Not So Political
brother if i dont reply to ur questions soon,then dont get frustrated,because i am a student of class 12 and preparing for iit jee.so i dont get enough time to browse.
and dont bombard with questions...2-3 questions at a time
leave all things brother,i dont have enough time to read all the scraps posted on different sites.take one by one.
how old was ahezia when he became king and at what age did his father died.
It is mention in 2nd KINGS,chapter no.8,verse no.26(BIBLE):It says that"Ahezia,he was 22 year old,when began to reign."
2nd CHRONICLES,chapter no.22,verse no.2,says that...."Ahezia was 42 year old,when he began to reign."
Was he 22 yrs old ,or 42 yrs old?---Mthematical contradiction in BIBLE.
Further more,in 2nd CHRONICLES,chapter no.21,verse no. 20, it says that...."Joaram,the father of Ahezia,reigned at the age of 32--and he reigned for 8yrs.,and he died at the age of 40.--Immediately Ahezia bacame the next ruler at the age of 42.Father died at the age of 40-immediately son takes over,who is at the age of 42..How can a son ,be TWO YEARS OLDER than a father???
Believe me even...even in the Hollywood film,you will not be able to produce it.
IF BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD THAN HOW HE CAN MAKE SUCH A FOOLISH MISTAKE???
please reply this question by looking in ur site and produce such a contradiction in quraan so that i can see it reply it.
please tell me which is the correct version of bible.
as different versions of bible writes different.
if bible is the word of god,then why does it need revision from time to time.
in which language was true bible revealed??
is it present in its original form today??
if bible was revealed on jesus,why is the red letter bible so less??
these are few questions that being a muslim i wanna know??
please reply it urself,in very simple language,so that i can understand it properly.reply in your language not in the language of the author of websites that u recommended to me??
because their writing is so confusing,that i even didnot get a single line from them??
sometimes they are confusing the readers and sometimes confusing themselves.
i swear by allah that these are my personal questions.
and i need a personal reply from u.
expecting your reply soon.
allah hafiz
Hi Ajmal, here are your questions with my answers:
1) please tell me which is the correct version of bible.
as different versions of bible writes different.
- All of them. There are different "translations" of the Bible. But all of them have the same underlined message, which hasn't changed since the time of it's inception.
2) if bible is the word of god,then why does it need revision from time to time.
- Bible is the "inspired" word of God. It does not need revision. Question for you: did you know there are different versions of Quran as well? Why do you think there are denominations like Sunni, Shia, Ismaili, etc.?
3) in which language was true bible revealed??
- Bible (The New Testament) wasn't revealed like Quran, it was "written" by followers of Christ, who walked, talked with him and saw him do nuerous miracles.
4) is it present in its original form today??
- Yes. If you pick up a King James version and a New International Version their will be textual difference, but they will both have the same meaning.
5) if bible was revealed on jesus,why is the red letter bible so less??
- Bible wasn't "revealed" on Jesus. Jesus was "revealed" to mankind as the son of God. Bible was written by Jesus's followers. Christians believe that Jesus is "the word of God". Whatever he says and have said is what God said.
Let's see if I were to put is simply, I would say that how do you know that Quran is the word of God? After all God (Allah in your case) didn't speak these words, it was supposedly Angel Gabriel who said these to Muhammad which you called Quran. So in essence, it wasn't a direct "revelation" either. Angel spoke -> Muhammad listened -> Muhammad recited to his followers -> His followers wrote it down on various objects many years after Muhammad died. So how do you know for sure that the Quran you read today is the same Quran and is the actual word of God?
God Bless
here are my queries related to your questions:-
u wrote:All of them. There are different "translations" of the Bible. But all of them have the same underlined message, which hasn't changed since the time of it's inception.
my response:different translations of what??
where is the original version???
u wrote:-- Bible is the "inspired" word of God. It does not need revision. Question for you: did you know there are different versions of Quran as well? Why do you think there are denominations like Sunni, Shia, Ismaili, etc.?
my response:-u said bible is the inspired word of god..don't play with words.bible is not the word of god.it was written by paul and many authors.
dont lie!!!
bible needs revision.revise satndard version was revised by 32 scholars of highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations.
they removed many things like the word begotten.they say in the preface of the revised version that the King James version has GRAVE DEFECTS. Verses which have in the past been the king-pin of Christian preaching such as the Trinity (1John 5:7), The Ascension (Mark 16:9-20 & Luke 24:51), The Prophecy of Jesus found in
(Isaiah 7:14) and the incident of the women caught in the act of adultery (John 8:1-11), have now been discovered to be fabricated and unauthentic, therefore one finds that in the Revised Standard Version '52 they have been thrown out as "interpolations" and "pious frauds" by these modern Christian scholars.
moreover please reply me how mabny books of bible are there???
u asked:-did you know there are different versions of Quran as well? Why do you think there are denominations like Sunni, Shia, Ismaili, etc.?
my res[p[onse:-( it is either you don't know the truth or u are intebntiaonally trying to befool or wanna test the depth of my knowledge.
i am 18 yeras old but can pose a serious challenge for u)
u take any quraan(the arabic) because the translations are not quraan
and produce a single word difference between them whether it be shia quraan suni quraan or any otther.!!
i will embrace christianity today.
moreover we will discuss the shia sunni difference later5 on..
u wrote:Bible (The New Testament) wasn't revealed like Quran, it was "written" by followers of Christ, who walked, talked with him and saw him do nuerous miracles.
my response:-thanks for acepting that the quraan was revealed.
and if bible is not the word of god (nt)then why will i believe the word of human...
moreover how many times did paul met jesus ??
moreover we will discuss the difference between differen versions of bible later.
u wrote:Let's see if I were to put is simply, I would say that how do you know that Quran is the word of God? After all God (Allah in your case) didn't speak these words, it was supposedly Angel Gabriel who said these to Muhammad which you called Quran. So in essence, it wasn't a direct "revelation" either. Angel spoke -> Muhammad listened -> Muhammad recited to his followers -> His followers wrote it down on various objects many years after Muhammad died. So how do you know for sure that the Quran you read today is the same Quran and is the actual word of God?
my response:-
allah revealed quraan through arch angel gabriel.he was far superior than the robots and computers who have today,who will not do anything by himself but simply follow the commands of allah..
for the answer of later part of your question i have following from answering-islam.com
http://answering-islam.com/islam-questions_rebuttal.htm
and this link that contains detailed history of preservation o0f noble quraan eith photographs
and contains many other links relating the topic.
hope it will clarify your doubt.
insha allah very soon i will be starting my own blog and there i will write all things myself.
and will not let you visit any outside link.
allah hafiz
http://answering-islam.com/quran/textual.htm
Sorry Ajmal, it took me a while to compile and write all this down. A brief history:
There are 5,735 (Welte, 2003) manuscripts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injil) pre-dating Muhammad still in existence. Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Muhammad, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. Additionally, the New Testament was handed down from apostolic times and its genuineness was guarded by Christian churches, and it was zealously watched by enemies of Christianity. A very wide protest would have resulted from both sides were it tampered with. Likewise, the Septuagint edition of the Old Testament was always in the hands of both Christians and Jews, both rivals in religion. Any attempts to change this by either side would have been vigorously attacked.
There are four more "safeguards" for the integrity of the Bible. (1) Jesus Himself read from Isaiah scroll in a Synagogue in Nazareth and declared it as Scripture (inspired from God), Luke 4:16-21; (2) The Dead Sea scrolls, found in 1947, verified the Jewish Torah back to 100 AD to 200 BC, when they were copied. Prior to this discovery, the oldest Torah dated to the 9th century AD. The Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah verified almost exactly the Isaiah scroll copied in the 9th century; (3) Early Church Fathers like Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian (155-230 AD), Justin Martyr (100-165 AD), Irenaeus - who wrote from between 90-160 AD all cited in their writings Christian Gospel accounts (Guthrie, 1990, page 24); (4) We know that the writings of Moses were preserved as far back as 621 BC. 2 Kings 22 speaks of this at the time of the Israeli King Josiah. Ezra 7:14, Nehemiah 8:1-18, and Jeremiah 36 also speaks of the Jews maintaining Scripture. Some other collateral sources that confirm events in the Gospel of Jesus are: Tacitus (56-117 AD), Suetonius (69-130 AD), Josephus (37-100 AD), Thallus (50-170 AD), Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), Trajan (53-117 AD), Hadrian (76-138 AD), Lucian (125-180 AD), Mara Bar Serapion (probably 1st century), Phlegon (100-199 AD)
Some versions of the Bible from 1881 differ in a few words here and there. However, the essential theological points remain the same and are complete.
The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.
The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses. The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam by over 200 years.
Everything in the Christian/Jewish Bible is being authenticated by archeology. Consider the Babylonian cylinder inscription of Nabonidus (thought to be the last king of Babylon) which commemorates the reconstruction of a ziggurat at Ur by Nabonidus and records a prayer to Belshazzar (Daniel 5) his son 'the firstborn son, the offspring of my heart'. Not only does this prove that Belshazzar was indeed a member of the Babylonian royal family, which had long been disputed, but it also explains why Daniel is told he could be the third ruler (with Nabonidus and Belshazzar more or less acting as co-regents). Also, consider the 'chariot wheels' divers found in the Red Sea, proving the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt was real; and that the Egyptian army chasing the Jews was drowned by God (Yahweh), just as was recorded in the Jewish Bible.
The Jewish and Christian Bibles were written by "inspired men of God" who immediately committed God's Word to writing.
Islam doesn't even have either an original or inspired Qur'an. The Muslim Qur'an was made up supposedly from "memory" from those who supposedly committed the words of Muhammad to memory, and from a few scraps found under a bed. This was originally begun about 15-20 years after Muhammad died at his wife Ayish's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains. The compilation was not finished until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death. This "hearsay" argument seriously brings the credibility of the Qur'an into question. But, that's only the beginning. All the errors, including simple mathematical and historical errors you will see in the Qur'an renders it impossible to be a divine revelation.
Al Bukhari, a Muslim scholar of the 9th-10th century, and the most authoritative of the Muslim tradition compilers, writes that whenever Muhammad fell into one of his unpredictable trances his revelations were written on whatever was handy at the time. The leg or thigh bones of dead animals were used, as well as palm leaves, parchments, papers, skins, mats, stones, and bark. And when there was nothing at hand the attempt was made by his disciples to memorize it as closely as possible.
Zaid b. Thabit said: “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.” (p. 118, Ahmad b. `Ali b. Muhammad al `Asqalani, ibn Hajar, "Fath al Bari", 13 vols, Cairo, 1939/1348, volume 9, page 9)
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.
“During the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Quran were killed.” (The True Guidance, An Introduction To Quranic Studies, part 4 [Light of Life - P.O. BOX 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 47- citing Ibn Kathir’s Al-Bidaya wa al-Nibaya, chapter on Battle of Yamama).
Muhammad's child wife said this after Muhammad died:
"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."
References: Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. page 269; Sunan Ibn Majah, page 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) page 310; As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. page 13
As to the Taurat (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly. Thousands of the Hebrew Old Testament manuscript copies are still available for textual criticism, ranging in age from the second century B.C. (Before Christ) to the eleventh century A.D. (After Christ).
The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation.
There are no Arabic chronicles of Islam from the first century of Islam. Many of the earliest documents known about Islam refer to the followers of Muhammad as "hagarenes," and the "tribe of Ishmael," in other words as descendants of Hagar, the servant girl that the Jewish patriarch Abraham used to father his son Ishmael.
This same quality of transmission we find regarding the Jewish and Christian bible cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was mostly written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers, palm leaves and stones --and compiled over 150 years after Muhammad died at the age of 63 in 632 A.D. In the Mishtatu ‘lMasabih, chapter 3, we are informed that by the command of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, the text of the Qur’an was “collected” by Zaid ibn Thabit “from palm leaves and stones and from the breasts of those who had learned by heart” the various revelations." Abu Bakr’s copy came into the possession of Hafsah, one of Muhammad’s widows. Qustalani states that after Hafsah’s death her copy was torn to pieces by Mirwan, who was governor of Medina.
The oldest Qur'an dates from around 790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the British Library. That's 158 years after Muhammad’s death.
Muslims often claim that the manuscript of the Qur'an housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey is one of the oldest sources. Muslims say it dates from around 650 A.D. There is an insurmountable problem with this. This document is written in Kufic (also known as al-Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the British Museum show that the first coins using the Kufic script date from the mid to end of the 8th century (750-800 A.D.). The only script used during and after Muhammad's days was the Jazm script. These earliest copies of the Qur'an are written without vowels and diacritical dots that modern Arabic uses to make it clear what letter is intended. In the eighth and ninth centuries, more than a century after the death of Muhammad, Islamic commentators added diacritical marks to clear up the ambiguities of the text.
If get time visit this link: http://bibleprobe.com/corruptedquran.htm
You want more proof that Quran too has many different versions then visit http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
As for Paul he was with Christ many times and had extensive knowledge of the savior.
You said "Verses which have in the past been the king-pin of Christian preaching such as the Trinity (1John 5:7), The Ascension (Mark 16:9-20 & Luke 24:51), The Prophecy of Jesus found in
(Isaiah 7:14) and the incident of the women caught in the act of adultery (John 8:1-11), have now been discovered to be fabricated and unauthentic, therefore one finds that in the Revised Standard Version '52 they have been thrown out as "interpolations" and "pious frauds" by these modern Christian scholars."
Please give me proof as how they are fabricated, by who and who threw them out.
I didn't except that the Quran was revealed, comparing Quran and the Bible is like comparing Apples and Oranges. Muslims compare Bible the same way they authenticate Quran by saying Bible is not the word of God but Quran is. Well why is it then Muhammad confirmed and recommended Gospel of Christ and the Torah if it's the not considered the word of God? Why is it that God has been able to preserve Quran in it's entirety but not Bible and the Torah which were the revelations came to mankind before? Why is the Old Testament and the Torah exactly the same, but different when compared to the Quran? Are they both wrong? If so then back to my first question why did Muhammad called them the "Guidance and Light" and used it himself?
http://bibleprobe.com/corruptedquran.htm
Your response "allah revealed quraan through arch angel gabriel.he was far superior than the robots and computers who have today,who will not do anything by himself but simply follow the commands of allah." makes no sense at all. My question was that how do you know for certain that it was Allah who sent these words? The words in the Quran were also written by men after Muhammad died so how do you know that they are the same words? Nothing missing or nothing added? Angel Gabriel has nothing to do with it. Who saw Angel Gabriel appearing to Muhammad and giving him the Quran?
Ajmal, you are always welcome to accept Christ and join his family anytime. But don't do it if someones gives you proof of Islam being false, rather join Christianity if you personally are touched by him and have accepted.
Ajmal you said "u said bible is the inspired word of god..don't play with words.bible is not the word of god.it was written by paul and many authors."
Well yes, Bible had many authors, everyone knows that but how come you forget that Quran too had many authors? God didn't write it himself did he? Nor did the Angel Gabriel wrote it down and sent it to Muhammad? And most importantly, neither did Muhammad write it (he couldn't) unlike other prophets before him he was illiterate. So then who wrote the Quran, if not the people?
You say we shouldn't trust Quran because it was written by men such as Paul, well so we shouldn't trust Quran also since that is how it also got created?
You say that Bible has been changed and so it cannot be trusted, well are you also aware that there were Post Uthman Quranic versions and Pre-Uthman quranic versions? The Pre-Uthman versions were thrown out and never used again, but they did existed, how do you know that they weren't the actual versions which you should be reading from today?
@ajmal rashid:
What you say is interesting, so I'll take it one point at a time.
I am an Israelite, and I'm reading from the original, unmodified Hebrew Scriptures.
"1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)"
This is a case of something being lost or perverted through translation (one of the reasons the Muslims don't translate the Qur'an?).
The most literal translation I can provide is this:
Samuel A, 24:1
And the lord's wrath continued upon Israel; And he incited David in them to say "go count Israel and Judah."
Chronicles A, 21:1
And a hater stood upon Israel; And incited David to count Israel.
The Hebrew Scriptures talk about "Satan," but that word just means someone who hates. And hate means harming someone. So God hurt Israel, thus by the action of harming Israel he is referred to as a hater.
Even if there is an angel called Satan who's job is to harm people, he is working in the service of God, and thus his actions are attributed to God.
The conditions one must fulfill in order to be recognized as a true prophet are spelled out clearly in the Torah. I don't remember the exact place, so I'll have to list them from memory and that's not always as accurate as it should be, but anyway:
To be recognized as a true prophet you must make a prediction that comes true, and it must be something that would have been impossible for you to predict by natural means. Miracles might also be sufficient.
To be recognized as a false prophet, you must a prediction about something good that would happen that doesn't, or claim that the Torah has changed, as in subtracting, adding, or modifying commandments.
Most prophets actually seem to get their prophecy from an angel. Take Daniel for example.
And a prophecy isn't a prediction. A prophecy is the communication God sends to man.
So:
1 is questionable.
2, 6 are false.
3, 4 are worded inaccurately.
5 - Almost exactly right.
7 - probably false.
yman: actually, miracles proves nothing as they could be also be done by false prophets or anti-christ. 2 is false, as he/she is a true prophet not God. 6 I believe is not false but can be re-phrased to say that at some point they would have spoken to God. Other sources are also acceptable as long as they glorify God's word. 3 and 4 should be predictions rather than prophecies.
I am curious to know why you think 7 is false? If two prophets relaying God's message to people speak in opposites to each other then wouldn't that be a cause for concern?
Bible talks about true prophets and false prophets in a number of places but the one that comes to mind is Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
The true Prophet of the Lord predicts that which does come to pass. If the Prophet's predictions fail, they are exposed as NOT of God.
No one responded and I got tired of talking about this stuff, which is why I didn't continue writing. It's also the reason I didn't correct what I said about point 7 which is my mistake. What I mean to say is that it appears no 2 prophecies are identical, so you can identify a false prophet if he claims to have received an identical prophecy to someone else. Book of kings, where king Akh'av asks his 400 false prophets whether to got to war with Aram might support this.
I'm really bad with references, so thanks for providing one.
I'll see if there are other mysteries I can solve today from those 101 apparent contradictions. I can't solve #2 & #3, although #3 has a mistake in it: in the book of Samuel it says how many men there are in the tribe of Judah, and in Chronicles it says how many male warriors there are in the tribe of Judah.
Here are a few more a layman as myself can answer with ease:
"3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)"
In Samuel it's talking about the men of Judah, and the Chronicles are talking about the warriors in the tribe of Judah.
"7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)"
Ever hear about rounding off?
"9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)"
Chronicles seems to also say that the Ark of the Covenant was brought to Jerusalem after the defeat of the Philistines.
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I get the distinct impression that ajmal rashid just quoted blindly what others said, and that those others don't mind occasionally misquoting their sources, or that they use erroneous translations.
So far I've checked 10 of those points. 4 were wrong, and another 1 (point #10) may have had a valid point, but also included mistakes.
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Quotes from the NIV and KJV Bible theologians admitting that the Bible is CORRUPT, and the books and gospels were written by MYSTERIOUS people in unknown dates and unknown places! Did the Prophets of GOD Almighty truly write the Bible? Ironically, the Bible talks about the details of Moses' death and burial in Moses' 5 books! Did Moses write about his own death and burial while he was dead?? Worse examples about Bible Corruption exist in the New Testament!
Here is a small Sample from the "gospel of" Mark, the OLDEST and supposedly the most original gospel in the New Testament:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
in the next few days i will insha allah reply to all your allegations and questions.
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ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
The traditional view of the Mosaic authorship of the Torah came under sporadic criticism from medieval scholars including Isaac ibn Yashush, Abraham ibn Ezra, Bonfils of Damascus and bishop Tostatus of Avila, who pointed to passages such as the description of the death of Moses in Deuteronomy as evidence that some portions, at least, could not have been written by Moses.
In the 17th century Thomas Hobbes collected the current evidence and became the first scholar to conclude outright that Moses could not have written the bulk of the Torah. Shortly afterwards the philosopher Baruch Spinoza published a unified critical analysis, demonstrating that the problematic passages were not isolated cases that could be explained away one by one, but pervasive throughout the five books, concluding that it was "clearer than the sun at noon that the Pentateuch was not written by Moses…." Despite determined opposition from the Church, both Catholic and Protestant, the views of Hobbes and Spinoza gained increasing acceptance amongst scholars.
The documentary hypothesis is important in the field of biblical studies not only because it claims that the Torah was written by different people at different times—generally long after the events it describes—[36] but it also proposed what was at the time a radically new way of reading the Bible.
The critical analysis of authorship now encompasses every book of the Bible. Every book in turn has been hypothesized to bear traces of multiple authorship[citation needed], even the book of Obadiah[citation needed], which is only a single page. In some cases the traditional view on authorship has been overturned; in others, additional support, at least in part has been found
Archaeological evidence has so far failed to support Biblical accounts of Israelite bondage in Egypt, wandering in the desert, and conquest the Land of Israel in a military campaign, the accounts of the land being passed on to the 12 tribes of Israel, and David's and Solomon's conquests, and other key elements described in the Biblical narratives as occurring in the 10th century BC or before. This absence of evidence has led some notable archaeologists, such as Israel Finkelstein, Neil Silberman[41], and William Dever[42] to believe that these events never happened, and that the ancestors of the Hebrews and the Jews are either nomads who have become sedentary, or people from the plains of Canaan, who fled to the highlands to escape the control of the cities.
The Ketuvim, or "Writings" or "Scriptures," may have been written during or after the Babylonian Exile but no one can be sure. According to Rabbinic tradition, many of the psalms in the book of Psalms are attributed to David; King Solomon is believed to have written Song of Songs in his youth, Proverbs at the prime of his life, and Ecclesiastes at old age; and the prophet Jeremiah is thought to have written Lamentations.
The Masoretes also added vowel points (called niqqud) to the text, since the original text only contained consonant letters. This sometimes required the selection of an interpretation, since some words differ only in their vowels—their meaning can vary in accordance with the vowels chosen. In antiquity, variant Hebrew readings existed, some of which have survived in the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Dead Sea scrolls, and other ancient fragments, as well as being attested in ancient versions in other languages
When ancient scribes copied earlier books, they wrote notes on the margins of the page (marginal glosses) to correct their text—especially if a scribe accidentally omitted a word or line—and to comment about the text. When later scribes were copying the copy, they were sometimes uncertain if a note was intended to be included as part of the text. See textual criticism. Over time, different regions evolved different versions, each with its own assemblage of omissions and additions.
The autographs, the Greek manuscripts(A Biblical manuscript is any handwritten copy of a portion of the text of the Bible
) written by the original authors, have not survived. Scholars surmise the original Greek text from the versions that do survive
In 331, the Emperor Constantine commissioned Eusebius to deliver fifty Bibles for the Church of Constantinople. Athanasius (Apol. Const. 4) recorded Alexandrian scribes around 340 preparing Bibles for Constans. Little else is known, though there is plenty of speculation. For example, it is speculated that this may have provided motivation for canon lists, and that Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Alexandrinus are examples of these Bibles
The earliest surviving complete manuscript of the entire Bible is the Codex Amiatinus, a Latin Vulgate edition produced in eighth century England at the double monastery of Wearmouth-Jarrow.
The earliest printed edition of the Greek New Testament appeared in 1516 from the Froben press
The first printed edition with critical apparatus (noting variant readings among the manuscripts) was produced by the printer Robert Estienne of Paris in 1550. The Greek text of this edition and of those of Erasmus became known as the Textus Receptus (Latin for "received text"),
The discovery of older manuscripts, which belong to the Alexandrian text-type, including the 4th century Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, led scholars to revise their view about the original Greek text. Attempts to reconstruct the original text are called critical editions. Karl Lachmann based his critical edition of 1831 on manuscripts dating from the 4th century and earlier, to demonstrate that the Textus Receptus must be corrected according to these earlier texts.
Their apparatus includes the result of votes among scholars, ranging from certain {A} to doubtful {E}, on which variants best preserve the original Greek text of the New Testament.
Comparison of Traditional vs Gender-Inclusive Translations of Rom. 12:6-8
Original New International Version
Today's New International Version
We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
Fragments of the scrolls on display at the Archaeological Museum, Amman
Fragments of the scrolls on display at the Archaeological Museum, Amman
be unbiased and please see the above picture taken from wikepedia to tell can the real bible be re created from these torn out papers.
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to see and read the complete article
The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they include practically the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents made before 100 CE, and preserve evidence of considerable diversity of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism.
(means they date back to many years after moses.)
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in the article highlights are mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quraan
from where have you brought those false allegations against quraan.
read what wikepedia speaks on preservation of quraan.
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The Qur’an[1] (Arabic: القرآن al-qur’ān, literally "the recitation"; also sometimes transliterated as Qur’ān, Koran, Alcoran or Al-Qur’ān) is the central religious text of Islam. Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind, and consider the original Arabic text to be the final revelation of God.[2][3][4][5] Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of 23 years.[2][6][7] Muslims regard the Qur’an as the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with those revealed to Adam, regarded in Islam as the first prophet, and continued with the Suhuf-i-Ibrahim (Scrolls of Abraham),[8] the Tawrat (Torah),[9][10] the Zabur (Psalms),[11][12] and the Injeel (Gospel).[13][14][15] The aforementioned books are not explicitly included in the Qur’an, but are recognized therein.[16][17] The Qur’an also refers[18] to many events from Jewish and Christian scriptures, some of which are retold in comparatively distinctive ways from the Bible and the Torah, while obliquely referring to other events described explicitly in those texts.
The Qur'an itself expresses that it is the book of guidance. Therefore it rarely offers detailed accounts of historical events; the text instead typically placing emphasis on the moral significance of an event rather than its narrative sequence.[19] It does not describe natural facts in a scientific manner but teaches that natural and supernatural events are signs of God.[20]
The Qur’an was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was oral. It was compiled in the time of Abu Bakr, the first caliph, and was standardized in the time of Uthman, the third caliph. The Qur’an in its actual form is generally considered by academic scholars to record the words spoken by Muhammad because the search for variants in Western academia has not yielded any differences of great significance and that historically controversy over the content of the Qur’an has never become a main point. [21][22] Therefore all Muslims, Sunni or Shia use the same Qur’an.
The ayat are unlike the highly refined poetry of the pre-Islamic Arabs in their content and distinctive rhymes and rhythms, being more akin to the prophetic utterances marked by inspired discontinuities found in the sacred scriptures of Judaism and Christianity. The actual number of ayat has been a controversial issue among Muslim scholars since Islam's inception, some recognizing 6,000, some 6,204, some 6,219, and some 6,236, although the words in all cases are the same. The most popular edition of the Qur’an, which is based on the Kufa school tradition, contains 6,236 ayat.[2]
The Qur’anic text seems to have no beginning, middle, or end, its nonlinear structure being akin to a web or net.[2] Critics have commented on the textual arrangement pointing out lack of continuity, absence of any chronological or thematic order, and presence of repetition.[32][33]
Michael Sells, citing the work of the critic Norman O. Brown, acknowledges Brown's observation that the seeming "disorganization" of Qur’anic literary expression — its "scattered or fragmented mode of composition," in Sells's phrase — is in fact a literary device capable of delivering "profound effects — as if the intensity of the prophetic message were shattering the vehicle of human language in which it was being communicated."[36][37] Sells also addresses the much-discussed "repetitiveness" of the Qur’an, seeing this, too, as a literary device.
As the Qur'an says, "With the truth we (God) have sent it down and with the truth it has come down." It designates positive religion, the letter of the revelation dictated by the angel to the prophet. It means to cause this revelation to descend from the higher world. According to hadith, the verses were sent down in special circumstances known as asbab al-nuzul. However, in this view God himself is never the subject of coming down.[40]
The Qur'an frequently asserts in its text that it is divinely ordained, an assertion that Muslims believe. The Qur'an — often referring to its own textual nature and reflecting constantly on its divine origin — is the most meta-textual, self-referential religious text amongst all religious texts. The Qur'an refers to a written pre-text which records God's speech even before it was sent down
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot — and of a surety ye cannot — then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, which is prepared for those who reject Faith. ”
—Qur'an 2:23–
The Qur’an in its present form is generally considered by academic scholars to record the words spoken by Muhammad because the search for variants in Western academia has not yielded any differences of great significance and that historically controversy over the content of the Qur’an has never become a main point. [52]
these are few
u may read the complete article.
u will get 80 percent correct information.
in the remaining they have themselve written that this part's neutrality is doubted
u have still not replied ahezia contradiction.
and yman whom are you trying to fool.
me or yourself
after reading the articles and related links of different sites on my blog u will find that there is not a single error in quraan.
please you are invited to the religion of peace any day.
if u agree then it is very ok.
otherwise we will se it on the day of judgement,.
please read with open heart.
it is my humble request.
i patiently read all ur articles and the answerin islam link of samuel green.
by allah.
u too read it to learn.
there are many prophecies of last prophet in bible
as in john jesus says
John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
please brother read the verses urself.
see the word used in the so called original version.
dont read the view of satans like sam shamoun wtc.
read it urself and think over it.
u r any time invited to the religion of peace
and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).
@Ajmal:
I'm not trying to fool anyone. I simply checked the first 10 of those 101 so called contradictions. Of those 10, I was easily able to see that 4 "contradictions" were not contradictions at all, 5 apparently are, and 1 also seems to be a contradiction but whoever you quoted made a mistake about it. That's what I said, yet you try to twist it as if I'm saying that I've answered all of it.
I'm also saying that whoever you're quoting is unreliable if 50% of what he says is simply and verifiably false.
As to stuff you quote from the Christian Scriptures, that has nothing to do with me. I'm an Israeli, and I don't believe in that stuff.
You seem to think that if the Hebrew Scriptures are wrong, that somehow means the Qur'an is right. It doesn't. If you want me to believe that the Qur'an is true you need to prove the following:
1. The Hebrew Scriptures are corrupted.
2. That Makhammad is a true prophet.
Even if we assume you proved point #1, how will you prove point #2? If you don't prove point #2, then all you'll be doing is turning believers into atheists.
Ajmal, in addition to Yman's point, I find a quite apparent and glaring problem with your research. It's all based on Wikipedia!, well, hopefully you are aware that everyone online has the rights and the ability to change it's text. Please, if you are going to quote texts from websites, ensure that they are authentic.
Many Muslims try to capitalize in their debates on the fact that there are variant readings of Biblical text in the many manuscripts we have of it. This is natural for handcopied texts and nothing else can be expected. Just try yourself to copy down by hand twenty pages of any book, then let a friend proofread it and see how many mistakes he finds. It is humanly nearly impossible to copy by hand without any error. In a certain sense Muslims have the "advantage" that Christians have carefully documented these variants in scholarly journals and monographs. Christian and secular scholars are openly discussing these problems in the discipline of textual criticism.
On the other hand, Muslim have the well known propaganda statement that there are no variants in the Qur'an at all and the Qur'an has been the same text even to the detail of each single letter and that this was so from the very beginning. More educated Muslims know that this is not true, but the average Muslim is made to believe this objectively wrong claim.
In particular, let us ask why some of the oldest manuscripts are not photographically reproduced and made available to the public and the scholars. Why not start with the Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul, the Taschkent manuscript, and the two old manuscripts in Cairo and Damascus. They are not Uthmanic manuscripts as some believe, but they are quite old. And then, publish them together in a format that makes it easy to compare them, or even better, listing all the differences between the texts, like it is done for the critical editions of the Bible text.
Until Muslim scholarship will become serious and honest about a critical investigation of the old Qur'anic manuscripts, we are mainly left with guessing, apart from a few documented facts some of which are collected here under the title Variant Readings of the Qur'an. But making access to the Qur'an manuscripts difficult is not inspiring much confidence in the claims of textual preservation of the Qur'an.
Let me reiterate this: In the Hebrew Scripture the only difference between edition is some spelling mistakes here and there.
There was a sect that had a different version of the texts, if I remember correctly. They came to existence in the late 2nd temple era, I think, and they were never mainstream or popular. Apparently they lived in a small secluded community in the caves of the Judean mountains or something like that. I don't really know much about it. In any case, it happened at a time that was prone for new sect. Others were the Tzadokis (I don't know the English spelling) and Christians.
Aside from them, I know of no one using an invalid version, especially not prior to the Macabis.
The Christians translate their and our scriptures to all languages, and create new translations from old ones. Is it a wonder things change? But the Israelis preserve the Hebrew Scriptures in the original languages they were written in (Hebrew and Aramaic) and study them in those languages. We also preserve the correct way of reading it, so we know what the text is supposed to be even where there are spelling mistakes.
Yman is correct in his assessment. And let me go further to say that "different translations does not mean corruption." Which is what most Muslims are led to believe.
No matter what the textual variants are, the most fundamental message of the Bible does not change, which is the same from the time of it's original inception. You can't say that what Bible taught 2000 years ago is different from it teaches today.
@Ajmal:
From chcking out the first 10 points of those 101 contradictions, it seems you are pointing out where the prophets contradict each other, rather than showing different versions of the same text.
@Not So Political:
Ever heard the term "lost in translation"? Well, it's true. Stuff does get lost in translation, and I've seen the difference between the original and the translation myself. Translations are useful for getting the general message across, but what about the fine details?
The day the 1st translation of the Torah (Pentateuch) was created is for us a day of mourning.
Yman: I have heard the term. But like I mentioned before that the different translations does not necessarily mean corruption of the bible. In fact all it proves that we as human beings are imperfect. Translations were done to make the gospel reachable to everyone. It's defintly nothing to mourn about but rather to ge glad for. As for the "stuff getting lost in translation" can you please elaborate as to what was lost?
Here is one more link of your BBC.
Read it patiently dear.
It makes clear the differences. How the word begotten from "begotten son of GOD" verses of ressurection that you use as a bait to catch fish were not present at that time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm
I found that Mister Yman had posted some comments two days ago. And they are not here now.Don't know how. Mister Yman was again very confused,as it appeared from my mail. By the way, I was talking to not so political. Yman had no rights to indulge between us without permission.
Still why I posted the comment I am making it clear in next post.
The BBC link is http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm
If you want to continue discussion,bring satisfactory explanation for me.
Other wise end the discussion. Say GOODBYE.
I pointed out where you lied. Readers can see it and judge...
You said:-(1) Jesus Himself read from Isaiah scroll in a Synagogue in Nazareth and declared it as Scripture (inspired from God), Luke 4:16-21;
My response:-Was this scroll of Isaiah present day bible? The new testament?
You said :- The Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah verified almost exactly the Isaiah scroll copied in the 9th century;
You said:- The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses.
My response:- Again a lie. It is not there. No resurrection. No ascension, no begotten son. Why do you lie? Don’t you have least bit of dignity. I gave you reference of BBC. You can read that link.Your scholars say I am copying verbatim from site
“Had this remained in subsequent versions, "the suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse", says the distinguished New Testament scholar Professor Bart Ehrman And although many of the other alterations and differences are minor, these may take some explaining for those who believe every word comes from God.
Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?
Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.
THE BIBLE WE NOW USE CAN'T BE THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.
"When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer 'which Bible?'"
THE CODEX - AND OTHER EARLY MANUSCRIPTS - OMIT SOME MENTIONS OF ASCENSION OF JESUS INTO HEAVEN, AND KEY REFERENCES TO THE RESURRECTION, WHICH THE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY HAS SAID IS ESSENTIAL FOR CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
OTHER DIFFERENCES CONCERN HOW JESUS BEHAVED. In one passage of the Codex, Jesus is said to be "angry" as he healed a leper, whereas the modern text records him as healing with "compassion".
ALSO MISSING IS THE STORY OF THE WOMAN TAKEN IN ADULTERY and about to be stoned - until Jesus rebuked the Pharisees (a Jewish sect), inviting anyone without sin to cast the first stone.
NOR ARE THERE WORDS OF FORGIVENESS FROM THE CROSS. JESUS DOES NOT SAY "FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".
Fundamentalists, who believe every word in the Bible is true, may find these differences unsettling.
But the picture is complicated. Some argue that another early Bible, the Codex Vaticanus, is in fact older. And there are other earlier texts of almost all the books in the bible, though none pulled together into a single volume.
Many Christians have long accepted that, while the Bible is the authoritative word of God, it is not inerrant. Human hands always make mistakes.
"It should be regarded as a living text, something CONSTANTLY CHANGING AS GENERATION AND GENERATION tries to understand the mind of God," says David Parker, a Christian working on digitising the Codex.
You said:-(1) Jesus Himself read from Isaiah scroll in a Synagogue in Nazareth and declared it as Scripture (inspired from God), Luke 4:16-21;
My response:-Was this scroll of Isaiah present day bible? The new testament?
You said :- The Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah verified almost exactly the Isaiah scroll copied in the 9th century;
You said:- The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses.
My response:- Again a lie. It is not there. No resurrection. No ascension, no begotten son. Why do you lie? Don’t you have least bit of dignity. I gave you reference of BBC. You can read that link.Your scholars say I am copying verbatim from site
“Had this remained in subsequent versions, "the suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse", says the distinguished New Testament scholar Professor Bart Ehrman And although many of the other alterations and differences are minor, these may take some explaining for those who believe every word comes from God.
Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?
Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.
THE BIBLE WE NOW USE CAN'T BE THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.
"When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer 'which Bible?'"
THE CODEX - AND OTHER EARLY MANUSCRIPTS - OMIT SOME MENTIONS OF ASCENSION OF JESUS INTO HEAVEN, AND KEY REFERENCES TO THE RESURRECTION, WHICH THE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY HAS SAID IS ESSENTIAL FOR CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
OTHER DIFFERENCES CONCERN HOW JESUS BEHAVED. In one passage of the Codex, Jesus is said to be "angry" as he healed a leper, whereas the modern text records him as healing with "compassion".
ALSO MISSING IS THE STORY OF THE WOMAN TAKEN IN ADULTERY and about to be stoned - until Jesus rebuked the Pharisees (a Jewish sect), inviting anyone without sin to cast the first stone.
NOR ARE THERE WORDS OF FORGIVENESS FROM THE CROSS. JESUS DOES NOT SAY "FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".
Fundamentalists, who believe every word in the Bible is true, may find these differences unsettling.
But the picture is complicated. Some argue that another early Bible, the Codex Vaticanus, is in fact older. And there are other earlier texts of almost all the books in the bible, though none pulled together into a single volume.
Many Christians have long accepted that, while the Bible is the authoritative word of God, it is not inerrant. Human hands always make mistakes.
"It should be regarded as a living text, something CONSTANTLY CHANGING AS GENERATION AND GENERATION tries to understand the mind of God," says David Parker, a Christian working on digitising the Codex.
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