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Friday, April 4, 2008

Jesus wasn't just some crazy person

John 10

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Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."

31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Muslims claim that Jesus never said that he was God. Why would the high priests then try to stone him? They tried to stone him for the blasphemy that he claimed to be God. They knew exactly what he was saying and meant and so tried to stone him for it. Which prophet in all of history can promise eternal life? (verse 28) Only God can promise eternal life.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

He claimed to be a prophet and the Hebrews stoned their false prophet, they thought he was a false prophet.

Not So Political said...

That's what they said.They said "....but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Do you have a different translation for this?

JustICE said...

1. Jesus quotes from Psalms 82:6: 'ye are gods. So we know from the bible that gods means the creation, chosen of God his people. God means, well its self explanatory and 'Son of God means Prophet.e.g. (Psalms 2:7): "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me [David]: 'Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee." also Hebrews 7:3 etc etc.

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods" ' [a]? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
He is saying if you can call the ones from before 'gods' (metaphorically of course)why cant you accept me because I am the one who has set apart by God from the rest(i.e special, a prophet,The Messiah!)Why then do you accuse me of Blasphemy because I said I am the 'son of god'(I.e a prophet, the Messiah)

JustICE said...

Did any of the previous Hebrew prophets ever claimed to be God? no. Then why they were killed by the Jews? Jesus lashes out against his people: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not” (Matthew 23:37). Is it surprising that the Jews are constantly picking up stones against Jesus when many of the previous prophets were stoned, and they never claimed to be God? Because it says in Deuteronomy 18:20 that false prophets must be killed, they thought he was a false prophet i.e not the promised Messiah.

Not So Political said...

Justice your explanation of what Jesus is telling the Jewish priests doesn't make any sense. He is trying to tell them that even though he has done many miracles, they still don't believe in him. He's not just a messenger of God, otherwise he would have said so. Verse 37 "If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me; 38 but if I do t hem, though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me and I in the Father"

He's not finding any "clever" way to argue with the Jews, instead he is telling them as it is.

Not So Political said...

Another interesting point is that Jews changed their position on stoning, killing or abusing the prophets at the time of Christ.
Matthew 23, this is Jesus speaking against the leaders, verse 29, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous.” That was their hypocrisy in part, they were hypocrites on every front, but one of their hypocritical acts was to try to revere the prophets that their forefathers had hated, abused, mistreated and killed. And what they did was try to adorn the monuments of the prophet. They didn’t want people to think that they were like that, they were far better, they would never do that to a true prophet. So they build greater tombs to honor the prophets, adorn the monuments of the righteous. And they say, verse 30, “If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets,” as I said a few moments ago. They wanted to present themselves as better than their forefathers. Their forefathers were well known for having slaughtered the prophets.

Not So Political said...

But, Jesus didn’t see them that way. Verse 33, “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell? Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of them you will kill and crucify, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city.” Jesus is saying, “You’re not different because as soon as My apostles go out and the preachers of the gospel go out, you’re going to do exactly to them what your fathers did to the prophets of old. You’re going to persecute them, you’re going to execute them.” And that’s what they did. All the Apostles, with the exception of John, were martyred. The slaughter was on. Verse 35 says, “In fact, on you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.” How apostate are they? They murdered the last of the prophets that they murdered in the temple between the altar and the Holy Place. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,” verse 37 says Jesus, “who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her.” That’s the history. That’s the history of Israel. Apostate, disobedient, unbelieving, rebellious, idolatrous, blasphemous, slaughtering the prophets.